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Wagner Ends Charges For Community Town Hall Use

Issue Date: March 16, 2018

At the monthly Wagner Town Board meeting on Tuesday, March 13, town officials and 36 town residents engaged in some emotionally charged debate on open meetings laws, charges for use of the town hall, passwords for the town's computer system, and more.

Hostilities between Town Chair Lynn Hickey and Town Clerk Linda Wilke became apparent even before the meeting started, and got worse, after Supervisor Allen Sievert, Treasurer Bruce Meyerhoff and several members of the audience joined in. Supervisor Mollie Arthur remained silent during the outbursts.

Eventually, after several comments from the audience that the board should quit bickering and get on with town business, the board did just that, with only a few caustic comments from Hickey.

After considerable discussion there was a unanimous vote to allow all community service organizations in the town to use the town hall without charge for events and meetings. That action reversed a decision made at the December 13 meeting that everyone except government entities would have to pay. The policy caused the 4-H to even pay for the three card parties they held to raise money for the fire department.

After an explanation of the process for destruction of unused old checks, Hickey advised Wilke she should go ahead and get it done. There are apparently old checks from various banks, including some that no longer exist.

An agenda item listed as "discuss/consider town board access to clerk/treasurer's office" appeared to arise from a dispute between Hickey and Wilke over the password Wilke she placed on the computer that allows only herself to access her files and work. She said she has also provided a password so Hickey can use the computer without access to the records Wilke is responsible for.

Apparently there will be a town audit done after the April 15 tax filing deadline.

A major issue between Hickey and Wilke involved a special town board meeting that Hickey had called for Sunday, March 4. That meeting had been convened but was immediately adjourned after Wilke declared it illegal. Wilke and Hickey debated whether or not the meeting notice had complied with the Wisconsin Open Meetings law requirement for 24-hour advance notice, whether or not the subject of the meeting was among the very limited number of issues that allow an elected body to discuss in closed session in Wisconsin, and whether or not there had actually been a meeting.

Agenda, posted by Hickey, had called for the board to approve the agenda in open session, with "general topics of information for board members" as the sole agenda item. It then said they would go into closed session, come out of closed session, both on roll call vote, and then accept any further discussion or comments from the public. There was no other specific action or discussion item listed.

Wilke maintained that notice of the meeting was posted at 10 a.m. on Saturday, while Hickey said she had posted the notices at 6:45 p.m. on Friday, March 2, in the officially designated places at the town hall, at the town dump and at the Heritage but someone had torn down the ones at the town hall and the town dump. She said e-mails had also gone out at that time to board members.

Someone noted that the town hall and dump are visible to cameras and asked if there had been a police report filed about the notices being torn down. apparently there were no reports filed, and Hickey said the camera referred to was not hers.

Wilke said she had seen Hickey post the notice at the town hall at 10 a.m. on Saturday. She said law requires 24 hours advance notice, but Sunday hours do not count.

Wilke had written minutes of that meeting, with statements included that there had been violations of state statute involving the 10 a.m. posting on Saturday for the 1 p.m. meeting on Sunday, and also that the agenda called for closed door session with no information as to the subject of the closed door session. Wilke had called for the meeting to be adjourned, and it was. Hickey maintained there should be no minutes since there was no meeting, and Wilke argued there had to be, since the meeting was called to order and adjourned.

During the discussion Wilke said shortly after she was appointed clerk she had met with County Clerk Kathy Brandt to discuss responsibilities of the office, and said before then she had not realized that it had been an illegal meeting when Hickey and Allen met to interview her and appoint her to the office.

She had learned there should have been a special meeting notice posted. Sievert, who has served on the board for 37 years, said it was never done that way before, and Wilke retorted, "That doesn't make it right."

The discussion also touched on reasons that former clerk Melissa Christiansen had resigned.

Asked why she had scheduled the aborted closed door meeting on March 4, Hickey said she wanted to explain Board of Review procedures to Arthur as a new board member. "It's hard to discuss things in a room full of people," Hickey declared. She asked the audience if they wanted to sit there for an hour while the board discussed issues like that. Several from the audience suggested they could take care of regular business first and then have those discussions so the audience could leave if they wanted to.

Wilke suggested that Arthur could legally meet with her, and she could explain, if Hickey did not want to it at a properly noticed meeting.

"Your job is not to run this town, and it is not to run the town board," Sievert exploded. "I was on the Town Board for 37 years and you said I should know better!" he said he had been elected in 1981 and every election since then, and offered, "If you don't think I'm doing a good job, then do a recall!...I've had more problems in the last three months than in all 37 years!"

That's when the first call came from the audience for the board to "Stop the attitude and get on with the business of a respectable town."

After a brief bit more of discussion Arthur asked why the board had been "on a witch hunt" for Wilke ever since she came on, and added, "I think she will be a very good clerk."

Wilke said she had learned from the County Clerk and other town clerks after starting the job that it is the clerk's job to make sure the town board obeys the statutes. She said since they have only a three member board, every time Hickey calls one of the supervisors on town business, or if they call each other to discuss town business, it constitutes a walking quorum and they are breaking the law. Those discussions are to be done only during open and properly noticed board meetings.

Changing the subject, Amber Rickaby, leader of the 4-H Club, thanked everyone who donated to or worked for the card parties. She said it is a good experience for the kids and proceeds go to the fire department.

There was brief discussion on why the town needs to set up a special escrow account for $9,000. Wilke explained there had been an error in the NWTC tax levy due to transposed numbers and she has been advised the money must be kept in escrow and then applied against that levy next year.

Hickey asked Wilke to put more details in the minutes, for example what fire calls were for, what the road report specifically included, etc.

When it came time for reports, Fire Chief Thomas Arthur said the department had two lift assists, and spent 54 hours on training and maintenance during the past month. He said their Fire Dues audit went well and the state auditor had found the department in full compliance. Later discussion indicated that audit is not on department finances, but on compliance with fire rules and responsibilities. He said the WIFI in their building is not working.

Sievert said he received complaints that the fire department is doing too much not related to fires, for example lift assists and help at accidents. "That is how fire departments are evolving," Arthur told him. "We're here to serve, and when they need manpower, they come to us."

On the subject of a town audit,Wilke said she had spoken with Fred Walters, who had done the Fire Department audit a few years go and he will be happy to do the town audit after tax season ends.

In discussion on charging for town hall use the audience obviously favored no charges for community groups, but only for private events.

Dale Burrie asked for clarification on a charge for his Coalition to Save the River, which is a 501 (3)(c) non profit corporation established to fight the proposed Back Forty Mine on the Michigan side of the Menominee River. He said the organization is entirely volunteer and no one gets a salary.

He briefly expressed pleasure at the recent objections filed by several federal agencies in regard to the wetlands permit requested by Aquila Resources for construction of the mine, and described those comments as "a victory for those of us who love the river." He said there is to be a meeting on March 23 aimed at uniting the efforts of the many separate organizations that are fighting against the mine. "It is my dream to get all those organizations working together," Burrie declared.

As far a s working together, "I can't believe what we've seen here tonight," Burrie declared. "All this bickering and arguing in a town of 600 is a disaster! We have to get along!"

Agenda had include attendance of the clerk and treasurer at the Clerk Treasurer's Training Institute in Green Bay in July, but Hickey had that tabled for more information. It is to be on the agenda for the April meeting.

The town's Annual meeting is to be held at 6 p.m. on Wednesday, April 18, to be followed by the regular monthly Town Board meeting at 6:30 p.m.At the monthly Wagner Town Board meeting on Tuesday, March 13, town officials and 36 town residents engaged in some emotionally charged debate on open meetings laws, charges for use of the town hall, passwords for the town's computer system, and more.

Hostilities between Town Chair Lynn Hickey and Town Clerk Linda Wilke became apparent even before the meeting started, and got worse, after Supervisor Allen Sievert, Treasurer Bruce Meyerhoff and several members of the audience joined in. Supervisor Mollie Arthur remained silent during the outbursts.

Eventually, after several comments from the audience that the board should quit bickering and get on with town business, the board did just that, with only a few caustic comments from Hickey.

After considerable discussion there was a unanimous vote to allow all community service organizations in the town to use the town hall without charge for events and meetings. That action reversed a decision made at the December 13 meeting that everyone except government entities would have to pay. The policy caused the 4-H to even pay for the three card parties they held to raise money for the fire department.

After an explanation of the process for destruction of unused old checks, Hickey advised Wilke she should go ahead and get it done. There are apparently old checks from various banks, including some that no longer exist.

An agenda item listed as "discuss/consider town board access to clerk/treasurer's office" appeared to arise from a dispute between Hickey and Wilke over the password Wilke she placed on the computer that allows only herself to access her files and work. She said she has also provided a password so Hickey can use the computer without access to the records Wilke is responsible for.

Apparently there will be a town audit done after the April 15 tax filing deadline.

A major issue between Hickey and Wilke involved a special town board meeting that Hickey had called for Sunday, March 4. That meeting had been convened but was immediately adjourned after Wilke declared it illegal. Wilke and Hickey debated whether or not the meeting notice had complied with the Wisconsin Open Meetings law requirement for 24-hour advance notice, whether or not the subject of the meeting was among the very limited number of issues that allow an elected body to discuss in closed session in Wisconsin, and whether or not there had actually been a meeting.

Agenda, posted by Hickey, had called for the board to approve the agenda in open session, with "general topics of information for board members" as the sole agenda item. It then said they would go into closed session, come out of closed session, both on roll call vote, and then accept any further discussion or comments from the public. There was no other specific action or discussion item listed.

Wilke maintained that notice of the meeting was posted at 10 a.m. on Saturday, while Hickey said she had posted the notices at 6:45 p.m. on Friday, March 2, in the officially designated places at the town hall, at the town dump and at the Heritage but someone had torn down the ones at the town hall and the town dump. She said e-mails had also gone out at that time to board members.

Someone noted that the town hall and dump are visible to cameras and asked if there had been a police report filed about the notices being torn down. apparently there were no reports filed, and Hickey said the camera referred to was not hers.

Wilke said she had seen Hickey post the notice at the town hall at 10 a.m. on Saturday. She said law requires 24 hours advance notice, but Sunday hours do not count.

Wilke had written minutes of that meeting, with statements included that there had been violations of state statute involving the 10 a.m. posting on Saturday for the 1 p.m. meeting on Sunday, and also that the agenda called for closed door session with no information as to the subject of the closed door session. Wilke had called for the meeting to be adjourned, and it was. Hickey maintained there should be no minutes since there was no meeting, and Wilke argued there had to be, since the meeting was called to order and adjourned.

During the discussion Wilke said shortly after she was appointed clerk she had met with County Clerk Kathy Brandt to discuss responsibilities of the office, and said before then she had not realized that it had been an illegal meeting when Hickey and Allen met to interview her and appoint her to the office.

She had learned there should have been a special meeting notice posted. Sievert, who has served on the board for 37 years, said it was never done that way before, and Wilke retorted, "That doesn't make it right."

The discussion also touched on reasons that former clerk Melissa Christiansen had resigned.

Asked why she had scheduled the aborted closed door meeting on March 4, Hickey said she wanted to explain Board of Review procedures to Arthur as a new board member. "It's hard to discuss things in a room full of people," Hickey declared. She asked the audience if they wanted to sit there for an hour while the board discussed issues like that. Several from the audience suggested they could take care of regular business first and then have those discussions so the audience could leave if they wanted to.

Wilke suggested that Arthur could legally meet with her, and she could explain, if Hickey did not want to it at a properly noticed meeting.

"Your job is not to run this town, and it is not to run the town board," Sievert exploded. "I was on the Town Board for 37 years and you said I should know better!" he said he had been elected in 1981 and every election since then, and offered, "If you don't think I'm doing a good job, then do a recall!...I've had more problems in the last three months than in all 37 years!"

That's when the first call came from the audience for the board to "Stop the attitude and get on with the business of a respectable town."

After a brief bit more of discussion Arthur asked why the board had been "on a witch hunt" for Wilke ever since she came on, and added, "I think she will be a very good clerk."

Wilke said she had learned from the County Clerk and other town clerks after starting the job that it is the clerk's job to make sure the town board obeys the statutes. She said since they have only a three member board, every time Hickey calls one of the supervisors on town business, or if they call each other to discuss town business, it constitutes a walking quorum and they are breaking the law. Those discussions are to be done only during open and properly noticed board meetings.

Changing the subject, Amber Rickaby, leader of the 4-H Club, thanked everyone who donated to or worked for the card parties. She said it is a good experience for the kids and proceeds go to the fire department.

There was brief discussion on why the town needs to set up a special escrow account for $9,000. Wilke explained there had been an error in the NWTC tax levy due to transposed numbers and she has been advised the money must be kept in escrow and then applied against that levy next year.

Hickey asked Wilke to put more details in the minutes, for example what fire calls were for, what the road report specifically included, etc.

When it came time for reports, Fire Chief Thomas Arthur said the department had two lift assists, and spent 54 hours on training and maintenance during the past month. He said their Fire Dues audit went well and the state auditor had found the department in full compliance. Later discussion indicated that audit is not on department finances, but on compliance with fire rules and responsibilities. He said the WIFI in their building is not working.

Sievert said he received complaints that the fire department is doing too much not related to fires, for example lift assists and help at accidents. "That is how fire departments are evolving," Arthur told him. "We're here to serve, and when they need manpower, they come to us."

On the subject of a town audit,Wilke said she had spoken with Fred Walters, who had done the Fire Department audit a few years go and he will be happy to do the town audit after tax season ends.

In discussion on charging for town hall use the audience obviously favored no charges for community groups, but only for private events.

Dale Burrie asked for clarification on a charge for his Coalition to Save the River, which is a 501 (3)(c) non profit corporation established to fight the proposed Back Forty Mine on the Michigan side of the Menominee River. He said the organization is entirely volunteer and no one gets a salary.

He briefly expressed pleasure at the recent objections filed by several federal agencies in regard to the wetlands permit requested by Aquila Resources for construction of the mine, and described those comments as "a victory for those of us who love the river." He said there is to be a meeting on March 23 aimed at uniting the efforts of the many separate organizations that are fighting against the mine. "It is my dream to get all those organizations working together," Burrie declared.

As far a s working together, "I can't believe what we've seen here tonight," Burrie declared. "All this bickering and arguing in a town of 600 is a disaster! We have to get along!"

Agenda had include attendance of the clerk and treasurer at the Clerk Treasurer's Training Institute in Green Bay in July, but Hickey had that tabled for more information. It is to be on the agenda for the April meeting.

The town's Annual meeting is to be held at 6 p.m. on Wednesday, April 18, to be followed by the regular monthly Town Board meeting at 6:30 p.m.


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