Many Questions, Few Answers At Tyco Open House Meeting Issue Date: April 4, 2019
Many questions were asked at the Johnson Control (JCI)/Tyco Open House and Community Update meeting held on Wednesday, March 13. This second part of that meeting addresses some of those questions and comments from area residents.
Resident, Nicole Krueger asked, "As a land owner, we have property with a pond on it, a pond between my lot and another house and a pond on vacant land. Are these being tested?
The response was that they can look at her property on a map and determine if it is mapped for testing or not.
Resident Andi Rich criticized Tyco/JCI for not being more transparent with the community. Where was this public meeting posted for this? I found out from a friend. Start being more transparent! You have known about this since 2006 that you were using chemicals that were not acceptable. Where is the list of properties that sludge is being dumped at so we can do everything we can do to protect our families? We should have that list! Everything is about keeping costs down, we want health and we want protection! Protect Us!
After Rich's questions and comments there was silence in the room with the team of presenters unable to or not wanting to answer her questions.
Resident Jeff Budish then commented stating there are 72 sites where sludge has been dumped. Farmers are planting crops and feeding this to their cows and this sludge is allowed to be dumped on their fields? How do you clean this up now? Once contaminated there is no way of going back! An answer was given that they are studying the allowable limit. Budish asked, What is the allowable limit and the response was, there is none at this time?
Resident, Cindy Boyle addressed Roxanne Chronert of the DNR, stating you did a good job of diverting answers to all the comments and questions that have been asked, We want answers to our questions. "Is there a list for these fields that these bio-solids are dumped on?
Chronert responded with, "We will be talking to attorneys to see if we can post the list out there and will find out the best way to make this happen".
The meeting then became a question and answer session and following are some of the questions concerned citizens had that were answered by representatives from Tyco, their parent company Johnson Controls (JCI) and their panel of speakers from Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources (DNR), Wisconsin Department of Health Services (DHS) and Arcadis Design and Consultancy Firm.
Q: What is the solution for municipal water connection and is JCI / Tyco going to pay for the lateral lines?
A: We don't have a final cost yet and yes Tyco/JCI will provide the connection.
Q: Is there going to be testing done on Wiegers ditch?
A: That is what is considered Ditch D and we have tested that before with results of no-detect, but we do plan on testing it again after the snow melts
Q: How bad is the ditch on Rader Road and Shore Drive?
A: That is Ditch E and the same sampling will be done as Ditch D will do the same sampling as the Wiegers Road. Ditch A and B are much higher than the other ditches mentioned.
Q: What is the process to wash these contaminants down the sanitary sewer?
A: The City of Marinette, DNR and Tyco are under discussion and review at this time in reference to these bio solids and the City has asked Tyco to temporarily suspend doing testing at this time. We have no answer at this time.
Q: Is anything going to be done to clean up the testing site source of contamination?
A: First and foremost we are focusing on drinking water and ditches and we will be looking at the site in 2019. We are trying to focus and expedite municipal water lines first, that is the most critical.
Q: Is this ever going to be cleaned up completely?
A: We have to have a full delineation of sit first. Once we have a handle on the degree and extent, we will be looking at long term solutions. It will be cleaned up to an extent applicable and may never be no detect and may not be perfectly clear, but will be to the extent of no release and is no longer a threat to the environment and human health.
Q: Was the Bay and Marinette City Water tested?
A: The results between the level of detection and the laboratory reporting was below the reporting limit of less than four parts per trillion with one sample reporting at 5.94 before treated and after treated there was barely any detection.
Q: Is the POET system taking all the chemicals out or just getting below the HAL of 70 parts per trillion?
A: In general terms, it is taking it all out with result goals being non-detect.
Q: What about vacant land or people who choose not t be hooked into municipal water right away, can they connect later?
A: There are a number of details to work out. As we build on this we can put valves or water mains in for future connection and vacant properties can always tap in and connect.
Q: I live in Porterfield on the corner of Sandberg and Peters Road and about 90 tankers brought waste in and dumped it on a field in that area from a company from Minnesota. There are three families bordering that area and that is not the first time waste was dumped there.
A: We are aware of Marinette disposing of bio solids and are addressing other issues at this time and will be addressing that as well.
Q: Is it your intentions to test all wells in outer lying areas?
A: No, We have a good handle on the wells that need to be tested.
Q: If it is a point rather than a deep well, is it more susceptible to contamination?
A: Yes that is true, but it also depends on each location as well.
Q: Of the locations of wells testing with contamination, have those been increasing?
A: We have seen scatter up and down and the levels are not always the same. There will be a range but haven't seen an increase in trend. We have to look at over a longer time frame, but the short answer is no, but would have to look at over a longer time frame. Our hope is to implement a water system.
Other comments that were not addressed from residents included:
You knew these chemicals were on site since 2013 and you did not follow the spill law and report it to the DNR. Have any studies been done on Tyco employees to see if there is any human health exposure issues?
The final comment was from a resident that said she lived 15 feet away from Ditch A and I have a son with Autism. Maybe you should send out a survey to people in this area, wouldn't it be worth finding out more information and see if the contamination has an effect on other people?
More information on Tyco's mitigation efforts can be found on Tyco's website at: http://marinette.tycofpp.com/
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